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I have been arguing with the glass shops over the windsield on the 71F3. (71 Fury 3) 4 door hard top
The leak has been getting increasingly bigger. Every time the old glass shop comes and squirts some more sealer in there, they make it worse. Now it's flooding the car, especially the passenger side. The last time they were there, was three weeks ago. . . It's worse ever. The mechanic (Chimp) took the two corner pieces off the bottom and squirted in more goo.
Bob and I had the shield out last December to put a new top on the car. It started to leak after the new shield was put in. Over time, it seemed to get worse. Now you know we fixed any rust under there, there was a spot on the drivers side. But both sides leak now. And it didn't leak before like this. . .
The NEW glass shop took off the kick panels off and said he saw it leaking in the bulkhead into the car. I know it has to be in the corners. The beads are external, the cowl is external. There is no holes in the fire wall in the cowl area. . . After a 20 Minute debate, I gave up. It never leaked that bad before. I want him to remove the wind shield and do it again.
What do you think
Any other ideas? I'm doubting myself now. . . . . Help!
P.S. I am supposed to take it back Wednesday. . I want some Ammo to go in with. The Polaraco is also leaking since the shield was put back in too. . it's obvious to me. . . But he doesn't seem to be getting it. I am giving him the body manual too
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You say there are no leaks in the cowl area, but how about the bits that cant be seen easily. Especially where the cowl is welded to the bulkhead.
I had to cut the cowl away in places repair to the rust then reweld it back. If you find some holes you can get some sealer in. Also sealing the cowl to bulkhead joint might help. Another place is where water drains out of the cowl thjrough a hole and down the bulkhead. (Near the servo) This gets blocked up and rots through. Of course it could just be a bad seal on the screen, the corners are favourite. Then it gos straight down to the kick panels.
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Try using your garden hose to flood the cowl (stay away from the glass and it's seal) and see if any water leaks in? If it stays dry, then hose the window in sections, ie left side, center and right side. You should be able to find the leaky spot. If its the glass seal, I'd make them pull the glass and start over with new materials.
I assume these are the same guys that pulled the wrong windshield? !crazy
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Fury has the right idea.. start with flooding the cowl area. The car can be rust free but have rust in the cowl. If leaves stays in there and hold the moisture you get rust.
One other thing.. when it leaks get under that dash with a flash light and trace it back.... you might have to pull the front seat and the kick panels to get a good look. It does take time but worth the time spent.
My bet is that it is not the windshield but the cowl is got a small rust hole or the drains are plugged and backing up the water.
Steve
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Guys GUYS! Slap Slap
I said. . .He took the trim pieces off the lower corners of the windshield and pumped some more goo in there. It got worse after that. What does that have to do with the cowl duct chamber? It started to leak AFTER the windshield was put back in also.
I think it's the glass not sealed. That pinch weld is like a gutter that backs up down there. That's why they rot under the moldings. I've just done one just like it that wasn't leaking until the glass was taken out and put back in. The same in both cases.
That tells me he's backing up the water to a bigger hole. That whole area has no place for the water to enter or lay long enough to get in. Besides, the water is running down the inside of the bulkhead behind the kick panel above the cowl.
Jon you may have a rust hole in the pinch weld. I had one in the fury, but it wasn't leaking into the car.
Yep! That's a high level of frustration you are seeing. . . It's bringing the worst of me out. . . . Sheeesh
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Polaraco wrote ... But I don't have any rust in there. The car was almost tottally rust free. I had more rust on the back window than the front
I might add to this. . . The rear window pinch weld is the same design as the front. The back window does NOT leak, after Bob and I sealed what they didn't. But we could see that. . . . . Hasn't put a drop in the trunk since.
If you have never seen these with the glass and fenders off, you wouldn't understand. I'm wondering if I'm missing something or I can't get anyone to pull the moldings off in a nice warm shop to prove my thoughts
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Well you never know with water leaks. !stars
If you don't get water dripping inside while pouring water in the cowl will at least improve your argument that the windshield needs to come out and be installed properly. !cowboy
Murphy's law says a small leak in the cowl prompted you to have the guy pump more goop under the windshield molding thus disturbing the otherwise good seal and thus created a second leak. !crazy